The current state of the EV market - not great, Bob!

[Gurgie]

This is a bad sign as well https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/22/business/car-payments-late-default-subprime

[Johnnymac]

Was the new VW EV van thingy supposed to be some crazy sought after vehicle?  Looks like all the hype was from a small group of buyer who now have theirs and the rest will linger with massive discounts and 0% financing.

Yet we are supposed to believe this is our near future?

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ZFPdFUgEY/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[RRocket]

Was the new VW EV van thingy supposed to be some crazy sought after vehicle?  Looks like all the hype was from a small group of buyer who now have theirs and the rest will linger with massive discounts and 0% financing.

Yet we are supposed to believe this is our near future?

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ZFPdFUgEY/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Dkaz was looking at one...did he ever buy?

[Revelations]

Looks like the Lightning truck is buying the farm......

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-end-production-failed-f-141523184.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALSx2fXNw-A2jrr8V6ed8HR9w40Sr5IOfc4RVdiiL936n200C0ImALnUEJQ2C9NxLMxPWzp_ukiAbWQflollfdRWQCQAYbF8o6bWvHIqpiZoWkX6ruf_e_Y0tdjp2PbNEg7a6bcsf3o2oo7FASxQsdrfqeLiBDyp16Ugoym4XCxO

[Careener]

I've seen them for under $60k in Quebec.

Was the new VW EV van thingy supposed to be some crazy sought after vehicle?  Looks like all the hype was from a small group of buyer who now have theirs and the rest will linger with massive discounts and 0% financing.

Yet we are supposed to believe this is our near future?

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ZFPdFUgEY/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[RRocket]

Looks like the Lightning truck is buying the farm......

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-end-production-failed-f-141523184.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALSx2fXNw-A2jrr8V6ed8HR9w40Sr5IOfc4RVdiiL936n200C0ImALnUEJQ2C9NxLMxPWzp_ukiAbWQflollfdRWQCQAYbF8o6bWvHIqpiZoWkX6ruf_e_Y0tdjp2PbNEg7a6bcsf3o2oo7FASxQsdrfqeLiBDyp16Ugoym4XCxO

Not shocked.

[Oliver]

Looks like the Lightning truck is buying the farm......

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-end-production-failed-f-141523184.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALSx2fXNw-A2jrr8V6ed8HR9w40Sr5IOfc4RVdiiL936n200C0ImALnUEJQ2C9NxLMxPWzp_ukiAbWQflollfdRWQCQAYbF8o6bWvHIqpiZoWkX6ruf_e_Y0tdjp2PbNEg7a6bcsf3o2oo7FASxQsdrfqeLiBDyp16Ugoym4XCxO

That article seems a bit sensational. Ford has not definitively said that the Lightning is discontinued - just that production is being paused for now.

[Blueprint]

Looks like the Lightning truck is buying the farm......

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-end-production-failed-f-141523184.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALSx2fXNw-A2jrr8V6ed8HR9w40Sr5IOfc4RVdiiL936n200C0ImALnUEJQ2C9NxLMxPWzp_ukiAbWQflollfdRWQCQAYbF8o6bWvHIqpiZoWkX6ruf_e_Y0tdjp2PbNEg7a6bcsf3o2oo7FASxQsdrfqeLiBDyp16Ugoym4XCxO

That article seems a bit sensational. Ford has not definitively said that the Lightning is discontinued - just that production is being paused for now.

Reason being that Ford is screwed after the plant of its main aluminium parts supplier went up in flames. What they can get will go to more profitable models, but F-150 sales overall are going down the drain.

[Oliver]

Was the new VW EV van thingy supposed to be some crazy sought after vehicle?  Looks like all the hype was from a small group of buyer who now have theirs and the rest will linger with massive discounts and 0% financing.

Yet we are supposed to believe this is our near future?

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ZFPdFUgEY/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Another car that ended up being $20k more than expected once it finally arrived. It was never going to be more than a niche vehicle but the pricing really killed it. Didn't help that they flubbed the launch by building too many in boring monotone colors. In the U.S. they were paying dealers to wrap them for customers.

[Johnnymac]

Was the new VW EV van thingy supposed to be some crazy sought after vehicle?  Looks like all the hype was from a small group of buyer who now have theirs and the rest will linger with massive discounts and 0% financing.

Yet we are supposed to believe this is our near future?

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ZFPdFUgEY/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Another car that ended up being $20k more than expected once it finally arrived. It was never going to be more than a niche vehicle but the pricing really killed it. Didn't help that they flubbed the launch by building too many in boring monotone colors. In the U.S. they were paying dealers to wrap them for customers.

Talking about the price, I bet they don't make much at all selling them.  With the level of hype and media coverage, the demand seemed crazy, much like the Ford Lightning, but after that initial rush, demand dried up.  It's just how EVs have been.

Toyota's thinking is much better, produce a lot more hybrids and PHEV that will have a greater overall impact for the environment, easily adopted by traditional car buyers, and at a reasonable price difference over their ICE equivalent.

[Blueprint]

I was at a GM event last evening, and they confirmed what we were seeing in the sales numbers: by far, the Lyriq is the best-selling Cadillac product in Canada, with the Optiq close on its heels and some months actually beating it. Supply is the Optiq's only real limit as far as sales go, according to the GM reps. They are indeed all over the place in the GMA. So some EVs are doing better than others!

[Oliver]

I was at a GM event last evening, and they confirmed what we were seeing in the sales numbers: by far, the Lyriq is the best-selling Cadillac product in Canada, with the Optiq close on its heels and some months actually beating it. Supply is the Optiq's only real limit as far as sales go, according to the GM reps. They are indeed all over the place in the GMA. So some EVs are doing better than others!

Still seems insane to me that they are discontinuing the XT4 right after a fairly significant mid cycle refresh though.

[Oliver]

Toyota's thinking is much better, produce a lot more hybrids and PHEV that will have a greater overall impact for the environment, easily adopted by traditional car buyers, and at a reasonable price difference over their ICE equivalent.

Toyota got a lot of shit a few years ago for resisting electrification beyond hybrids. In hindsight it was probably the right move.

[Blueprint]

I was at a GM event last evening, and they confirmed what we were seeing in the sales numbers: by far, the Lyriq is the best-selling Cadillac product in Canada, with the Optiq close on its heels and some months actually beating it. Supply is the Optiq's only real limit as far as sales go, according to the GM reps. They are indeed all over the place in the GMA. So some EVs are doing better than others!

Still seems insane to me that they are discontinuing the XT4 right after a fairly significant mid cycle refresh though.

Long-standing tradition at GM to shelf a just-improved product