Sitting at 4.9 L/100 km after two days of commuting downtown, and, yes, I did floor it a few times!
It's a good looking car, and I'm sure it drives great (and far better than any CUV). But I just have no interest in a sedan.
Why oh why can't they make it wagon...[\broken record]
My main beef with the current Accord (besides pricing) is that it looks like a large Civic, inside and out. The interior doesn't feel as premium as a Camry's or Sonata's, even in this Touring trim. Drives like a dream though, and steering is fantastic.
Quote from: Tortoise on Aug 26, 2026, 09:04 AMIt's a good looking car, and I'm sure it drives great (and far better than any CUV). But I just have no interest in a sedan.
Why oh why can't they make it wagon...[\broken record]
Because the want to sell more than 5 of them? LOL 😆
Hahahaha. But those 5 people would be so happy.
Those were keepers: (https://media.techeblog.com/images/1991-honda-accord-wagon.jpg)
Do you not remember this disaster?
(https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/accord-crosstour/2010/oem/2010_honda_accord-crosstour_4dr-hatchback_ex-l_fq_oem_3_1600x1067.jpg)
(incidentally, same colour as the older one you posted)
^ For whatever reason I've been noticing the Crosstour around more lately. It looks normal to me now, with all the humpback designs around from other manufacturers.
Quote from: Tortoise on Aug 26, 2026, 08:42 PMHahahaha. But those 5 people would be so happy.
Wait...didn't you just have s chance to buy a wagon and bought SUV instead? 😃
Quote from: GreatBigAbyss on Aug 27, 2026, 11:14 AMDo you not remember this disaster?
I really liked the Acura ZDX...
Quote from: RRocket on Aug 27, 2026, 02:45 PMWait...didn't you just have s chance to buy a wagon and bought SUV instead? 😃
Which full size AWD wagon could I have bought (that would be reliable and under $40k)?
Also, I already own a wagon!
Quote from: GreatBigAbyss on Aug 27, 2026, 11:14 AMDo you not remember this disaster?
I actually like those... The ZDX, less so.
The Crosstour's problem is that they didn't go full wagon. They went half-wagon, and that generally looks dumb.
Next Accord was shown by Honda. It's like a Crosstour, but done right. Higher riding, à la Crown too.
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/5764de60-dd1c-4c8c-b2a0-c6b28a24cffe.jpg?w=768&width=768&q=75&format=webp)
Quote from: GreatBigAbyss on Aug 27, 2026, 11:14 AMDo you not remember this disaster?
(https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/accord-crosstour/2010/oem/2010_honda_accord-crosstour_4dr-hatchback_ex-l_fq_oem_3_1600x1067.jpg)
(incidentally, same colour as the older one you posted)
I actually do not mind that at all, its no classic Accord wagon, but it wasn't bad. For a car in that same category that looked horrible, please see the BMW Grand Touring I think they were called??
(https://www.edmunds.com/assets/m/bmw/5-series-gran-turismo/2010/oem/2010_bmw_5-series-gran-turismo_4dr-hatchback_550i_fq_oem_3_600.jpg)
I was disappointed when the US got the TSX wagon and Canada didn't.
Will we ever see an affordable wagon return to North America?
The last nice looking affordable wagon (IMO) was the Buick Regal Tour X. Early 2020s??
For a short work trip in late September, I have a midsize sedan hybrid booked... "Honda Accord Hybrid or similar". Are Honda Accords ever in rental fleets? I don't recall ever seeing any. I'm 99.9% sure that I'll end up with a Camry Hybrid.
Quote from: Blizzard on Sep 02, 2026, 12:47 PMFor a short work trip in late September, I have a midsize sedan hybrid booked... "Honda Accord Hybrid or similar". Are Honda Accords ever in rental fleets? I don't recall ever seeing any. I'm 99.9% sure that I'll end up with a Camry Hybrid.
Either that, or a Sonata. But 99% chance of Camry as 1) cheaper base trim and 2) all of 'em are hybrids now. Never seen a Honda in a rental fleet either.
Gas for the week: 12.8 litres :)
Quote from: Blueprint on Sep 02, 2026, 12:57 PMQuote from: Blizzard on Sep 02, 2026, 12:47 PMFor a short work trip in late September, I have a midsize sedan hybrid booked... "Honda Accord Hybrid or similar". Are Honda Accords ever in rental fleets? I don't recall ever seeing any. I'm 99.9% sure that I'll end up with a Camry Hybrid.
Either that, or a Sonata. But 99% chance of Camry as 1) cheaper base trim and 2) all of 'em are hybrids now. Never seen a Honda in a rental fleet either.
Gas for the week: 12.8 litres :)
The midsize sedan hybrid ended up being a Volkswagen Jetta ???
They claimed not to have any hybrids at all left, and since this was a work trip and I had to be somewhere, I decided not to make a fuss or wait for a hybrid to arrive, and took what was available.
Turns out I wasn't missing much by not having a hybrid, because over 350 km of 90% highway driving I ended up at 4.8 l/100 km. WTF! I wish I knew how to upload a picture here as proof that this is real. Kind of insane fuel economy for a non-hybrid car, I only had to put in 17 litres at the end. I'm not sure a Camry Hybrid would have done any better?
Aside from the amazing fuel economy, the Jetta was competent. The engine and transmission was responsive enough and very smooth, handling was good, and it felt pretty solid on the road and well-built for a compact car. I had the Comfortline trim which at around $32K after PDI seems like a fair deal. It's SUCH a boring car though. It'll probably still look good in 10 years, but to me it's the automotive equivalent of white bread. Part of me sees how this car is a great option and I'd buy it, and the other part of me couldn't bear to drive something so boring for years. Although honestly, I'd have a hard time buying a gas car in this class as my daily driver when a new Bolt or similar starts around the same price. Assuming someone has a place to charge and doesn't do too many road trips, I feel like something electric is far superior in terms of comfort, refinement and driveability than a gas car in the $30K range.
How fast were you driving? I had a Jetta rental last year and it averaged an indicated 5.7 L/100km. I was impressed with that since it's not far off what the TDI Golf would have done (granted a sedan is generally more efficient than a wagon)
Indeed, the Jetta with the automatic is stupid-good on gas. In 2022 I got 7.1 over a week of urban driving, with tons of stop and go. First two days with more urban highways in the mix was 6.2. The Sentra and Corolla are also able to pull similar numbers.
Quote from: Tortoise on Sep 22, 2026, 01:29 PMHow fast were you driving? I had a Jetta rental last year and it averaged an indicated 5.7 L/100km. I was impressed with that since it's not far off what the TDI Golf would have done (granted a sedan is generally more efficient than a wagon)
105-110 mostly, on flat roads.
Quote from: Blizzard on Sep 23, 2026, 10:55 AMQuote from: Tortoise on Sep 22, 2026, 01:29 PMHow fast were you driving? I had a Jetta rental last year and it averaged an indicated 5.7 L/100km. I was impressed with that since it's not far off what the TDI Golf would have done (granted a sedan is generally more efficient than a wagon)
105-110 mostly, on flat roads.
At those speeds on the highway I pulled a 3.1 return avg with my Golf TDI/DSG. No typo.
Quote from: Johnnymac on Aug 31, 2026, 01:45 PMWill we ever see an affordable wagon return to North America?
I wonder if Toyota has considered bring the Corolla Touring to North America? I like the looks of it. Unfortunately, it probably wouldn't sell.
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/toyota-corolla-wagon-side-1536071022.jpg)
Wouldn't sell in the US. I think the smaller wagons would do well in Canada. The Golf wagon was really popular in Ottawa.
You would think there is still a market big enough to support a smaller wagon like that in North America. Certainly wouldn't sell as well as the sedan or hatchback version of it but I do think there are still people who would choose a wagon over those versions. I sort of think that the Subaru Impreza wagon with AWD would be the best application just due to the maker having a history of it, offering AWD, has great interior space, and is still seen as a quirky brand that buyers could get behind a product like this. VW would be another but I just think it would be less successful.