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Title: General EV Discussion
Post by: RRocket on Mar 18, 2025, 11:07 PM
I was right about this guy and his company since Day 1.


https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Johnnymac on Mar 19, 2025, 05:33 PM
I saw a post on Facebook about how the Ford Pinto killed a bunch of people by burning them alive and the stats behind it prior to the recall...then they listed how many Teslas have killed and it's a bigger number and yet no such recall.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Careener on Mar 20, 2025, 11:47 AM
Their autopilot has a tendency to ignore motorcycles too.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Revelations on Mar 24, 2025, 12:57 AM
Checked my Lion Electric stock today. 0.065 cents, they're circling the drain awful quick. mid April to find a savior or they are done. I've only invested in two EV companies, Lion and Rivian. Both have returned nothing but losses.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Blueprint on May 19, 2025, 01:54 PM
Had an impromptu drag race with an Ioniq6. Me: accessing the empty highway at a traffic light in a 2025 Genesis G70 V6 TT, flooring it in Sport+. Him: accessing the same highway, at the same time, from the opposite channel island. He floored it as well. Both Koreans accelerated at the same rate, me making tons more (glorious) noise. At 150, the Genesis nudged ahead and at 156 he gave up. Ioniq6 sure is quick when viewed from inside the leathered fury of a powerful ICE sedan at WOT.   
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Blueprint on Jun 06, 2025, 11:40 AM
Driving a Macan 4S this week (the new-gen EV one). Fast, quite the handler, but very...clinic. Interior screams "Honda" more than "$128k".
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: RRocket on Jun 07, 2025, 03:04 PM
Quote from: Blueprint on Jun 06, 2025, 11:40 AM, but very...clinic.

The same as every EV.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Blueprint on Jul 11, 2025, 11:33 AM
First half of 2025: Tesla sales down 67% in Canada, 83% in Quebec alone!
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: RRocket on Jul 12, 2025, 05:02 PM
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 11, 2025, 11:33 AMFirst half of 2025: Tesla sales down 67% in Canada, 83% in Quebec alone!

Partly because of Musk and partly because of the end of credits pool...for a double dose of pimp slap.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Revelations on Jul 16, 2025, 12:33 AM
Interesting poll our local news outlet did. Asked "would you consider an EV for your next vehicle?" About 11,000 people responded and I was quite surprised at the results. Less than 14% said they'd consider an EV. Kelowna/Okanagan is quite well suited for EV's too.

(https://i.ibb.co/xSdrXKLT/b25b25c3-9ee9-4006-96dc-d5ee3819497e.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FbCdmk3T)
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Johnnymac on Jul 17, 2025, 09:32 AM
Why is that shocking when EVs make up a fraction of total sales, it's about what I would expect.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Oliver on Jul 17, 2025, 09:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Jul 17, 2025, 09:32 AMWhy is that shocking when EVs make up a fraction of total sales, it's about what I would expect.

ZEVs had 19% market share in BC last year so that number is fairly surprising.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: HannibalSmith on Jul 17, 2025, 11:05 PM
Quote from: Oliver on Jul 17, 2025, 09:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Jul 17, 2025, 09:32 AMWhy is that shocking when EVs make up a fraction of total sales, it's about what I would expect.

ZEVs had 19% market share in BC last year so that number is fairly surprising.

In Vancouver right now, and yes, lots of EVs here.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Revelations on Jul 22, 2025, 03:34 PM
Quote from: HannibalSmith on Jul 17, 2025, 11:05 PM
Quote from: Oliver on Jul 17, 2025, 09:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Jul 17, 2025, 09:32 AMWhy is that shocking when EVs make up a fraction of total sales, it's about what I would expect.

ZEVs had 19% market share in BC last year so that number is fairly surprising.

In Vancouver right now, and yes, lots of EVs here.

Exactly why I thought those numbers were surprising. Vancouver is absolutely full of EV's, yet here in the Okanagan they are far less common. EV's must be a big city thing more than anything else.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: HannibalSmith on Jul 24, 2025, 09:07 PM
Quote from: Revelations on Jul 22, 2025, 03:34 PM
Quote from: HannibalSmith on Jul 17, 2025, 11:05 PM
Quote from: Oliver on Jul 17, 2025, 09:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Jul 17, 2025, 09:32 AMWhy is that shocking when EVs make up a fraction of total sales, it's about what I would expect.

ZEVs had 19% market share in BC last year so that number is fairly surprising.

In Vancouver right now, and yes, lots of EVs here.

Exactly why I thought those numbers were surprising. Vancouver is absolutely full of EV's, yet here in the Okanagan they are far less common. EV's must be a big city thing more than anything else.

I think so, as they should be. In some places EVs make sense, in some they don't.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: RRocket on Aug 13, 2025, 05:54 PM
Remember when I/Others here predicted this?


The Electric Pickup Truck Boom Turned Into a Big Bust
https://archive.ph/ooJPC
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Johnnymac on Aug 14, 2025, 04:35 PM
And yet I saw an article about Fords plan for a $30k electric pickup.  You would think they had learned something from the Lightning and Mach E but no, they think going down market will make it successful. 
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Oliver on Aug 14, 2025, 06:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Aug 14, 2025, 04:35 PMAnd yet I saw an article about Fords plan for a $30k electric pickup.  You would think they had learned something from the Lightning and Mach E but no, they think going down market will make it successful. 

I think that misses the point entirely. High prices is a big part of the reason why people aren't choosing EVs, but I think the intent with that new EV truck is to start with a more niche product before ramping up production and expanding to other product lines.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Johnnymac on Aug 16, 2025, 04:34 PM
Quote from: Oliver on Aug 14, 2025, 06:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Aug 14, 2025, 04:35 PMAnd yet I saw an article about Fords plan for a $30k electric pickup.  You would think they had learned something from the Lightning and Mach E but no, they think going down market will make it successful. 

I think that misses the point entirely. High prices is a big part of the reason why people aren't choosing EVs, but I think the intent with that new EV truck is to start with a more niche product before ramping up production and expanding to other product lines.
I think you might be missing the point, the chances of a $30kUSD EV pickup being both good and profitable are minuscule.  They couldn't sell their higher priced EVs at a profit beyond the initial craze of buyers (which last what, one year).

It's so much more possible that Ford could make a $30k ICE pickup that is both good and profitable.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: RRocket on Aug 17, 2025, 06:16 PM
Would you buy ANY new Ford EV knowing the company is up to 94 (and counting) recalls this year?
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Oliver on Aug 17, 2025, 07:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Aug 16, 2025, 04:34 PM
Quote from: Oliver on Aug 14, 2025, 06:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnymac on Aug 14, 2025, 04:35 PMAnd yet I saw an article about Fords plan for a $30k electric pickup.  You would think they had learned something from the Lightning and Mach E but no, they think going down market will make it successful. 

I think that misses the point entirely. High prices is a big part of the reason why people aren't choosing EVs, but I think the intent with that new EV truck is to start with a more niche product before ramping up production and expanding to other product lines.
I think you might be missing the point, the chances of a $30kUSD EV pickup being both good and profitable are minuscule.  They couldn't sell their higher priced EVs at a profit beyond the initial craze of buyers (which last what, one year).

It's so much more possible that Ford could make a $30k ICE pickup that is both good and profitable.

The Mach E is in its fifth full year of sales and has gone up every year. Granted, 2025 sales will likely be lower, for various reasons. Lightning sales also peaked in 2024. At the same time, the Lightning in particular is almost certainly not selling in the numbers that Ford wanted it to – but both products came out at a time when we had a ton of economic uncertainty, supply chain issues, and big inflation. It doesn't help that the current U.S. administration is not particularly friendly to EVs. I suspect that buyers are being squeezed more by pricing than by a lack of interest in EVs.

I'd take any target price for a vehicle that's two years from production with a big grain of salt, but it certainly sounds like the innovation of this new platform centers around efficiency in parts and production. 20% fewer parts, 25% fewer fasteners, 40% fewer workstations along the assembly line, 15% faster assembly time, a 10 kg lighter wiring harness, and batteries that cost less, weigh less, and take up less space while being part of the structure of the vehicle are all very significant in terms of being able to create a profitable product. And if other automakers are building $40k EVs I don't see why Ford couldn't make one at the same price point.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Johnnymac on Aug 18, 2025, 04:46 PM
You quoted sales figures and I am talking profits.  Remember when both had big markups their first year, actually not even a full year, and then had to heavily discount them and convince dealers to make more inventory.

Is there demand for a $30k EV pickup, sure, but do I think they can make one that is both good, $30k, AND profitable? No, I don't think that's much will happen, at least not in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Johnnymac on Sep 23, 2025, 09:15 AM
Anyone notice Porsche switching gears on the whole EV only Boxster and Cayman and will in fact offer ICE versions of these vehicles as well as some SUVs.

Gee, who could have predicted going all EV for your sports car lineup was a poor direction...
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Oliver on Sep 23, 2025, 03:12 PM
Supposedly only the "top models" of the new 718 will be ICE. I wonder if that means just RS models or will there be an equivalent of the current GTS 4.0.

The new ICE Macan due in 2028 will be the first Porsche ever on a FWD-biased platform, shared with the new Q5.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Johnnymac on Sep 23, 2025, 05:19 PM
Quote from: Oliver on Sep 23, 2025, 03:12 PMSupposedly only the "top models" of the new 718 will be ICE. I wonder if that means just RS models or will there be an equivalent of the current GTS 4.0.

The new ICE Macan due in 2028 will be the first Porsche ever on a FWD-biased platform, shared with the new Q5.
It might start out that way, but I'm sure they'll offer lower trim levels at some point during the lifetime of that generation.
Title: Re: General EV Discussion
Post by: Blueprint on Oct 13, 2025, 03:54 PM
Apparently Kia quietely stopped importing the EV6 to Canada. Made in 'Murica, so tariffs. That, and interest waning. But social media is stoked about the upcoming EV5, and they'll have the EV4 as en entry-level EV option.